Is the U.S. Border Patrol releasing terrorists into the United States?
Interview with author and retired Border Patrol supervisor J. J. Carrell.
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J. J. CARRELL: “There aren’t enough agents to come interview them. So we’re releasing them. And my guys are saying, I’m releasing known terrorists. I know they are. I’m looking at their records. But they’re forcing me to release them.”
Hosts:
Retired Major Crimes Det. Chris DePerno
Lt. Randy Sutton
Former Arson Det. Marianne Robb
Ret. Det. Sgt. John Savage
Guest Host:
Ret. FBI Supervisory Intelligence Analyst George Hill
Host bios
Episode (audio only) “J. J. Carrell,” February 13, 2024 (timestamps correspond to this audio file).
Video (Rumble) “Is Mayorkas a Cuban Intelligence Operative”?
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CHRIS DEPERNO: Tonight: Is the border crisis really an invasion? I think so. […]
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The United States’ border is a mess. And it’s really an invasion of our country. And there’s no better person to talk about this than retired Border Patrol Supervisor J. J. Carrell.
J.J. Is a 24-year career Border Patrol deputy patrol agent-in-charge. Meaning that this guy was the boots on the ground, who was on border. Not some politician visiting some low-key area.
J.J. supervised an ATV unit on the San Diego-Tijuana border during some of the most violent times in record history. J.J. created the most successful maritime narcotic and human smuggling unit in the Border Patrol. He has five years as a supervisor of this unit, called the Coastal Border Enforcement Team.
J.J.’s unique perspective is from years as a front line agent and senior leader. He was in the trenches. […] He drew a line in the sand. And when it comes to the U.S. border, he’s the one that knows. Please welcome to the show, J.J. Carrell.
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J.J. CARRELL: Thanks for having me. I’m very excited to talk to you guys about, I think, the greatest threat to our republic. […] We are all in this together, as current and former law enforcement officers.
It is a shame, what our nation is diving into, into the […] chaos that it is.
DEPERNO: J.J., I want to ask one simple question. Is this an invasion?
CARRELL (27:40): It’s absolutely an invasion.
Let’s just take a time machine back to Trump’s time. Right when he left office, and Biden comes in. And if I told you, in three years, Joe Biden, through Mayorkas and the DHS, are going to obliterate every immigration policy and law on the books, and they are going to allow in, in three years, 10 million people?
And out of those 10 million people, they are going to bastardize multiple policies within DHS and release 97 percent of them. What would you call that? You would call that an invasion.
And if I went further, and broke down who are those 9.5 million people that have been released — we’re talking Special Interest Aliens which have ties to terrorism. Terrorists. Chinese soldiers from the PLA and CCP. And endless, endless, gang members, murders, rapists. […]
There [are] 195 nations on planet earth; 180 of them are in the arrest records of the United States Border Patrol. Meaning, the whole world is pouring into the United States. […]
RANDY SUTTON (29:10): What we have is a lawless administration. An administration that doesn’t recognize the realities, and they have their own political agenda for allowing this.
So, this isn’t happening by accident. This is actual complicity by the White House, and Mayorkas, DHS, and the highest levels of government to literally allow this invasion to take place. And it ain’t stoppin’ as long as Biden is in office.
DEPERNO: George, you have a question for J. J.?
GEORGE HILL (29:42): Yes. So, J. J., My optic is strictly as a member of the [Joint Terrorism Task Force], multiple combat deployments, I’m used to dealing with interagency constructs, task forces. Can you please help me and our audience understand the level of integration that you’ve seen as a supervisor, and as a — I mean this as a compliment — as a knuckle-dragger?
With members of the CIA — also referred to as OGA when they work in the continental United States — and with the FBI?
Specifically, what I’m getting at, is, when we have these Chinese nationals come across the border, what is the level of inter-agency cooperation to identify these individuals before releasing them into the country?
And if there isn’t interagency cooperation, is it strictly resting on the shoulders of the Border Patrol, to make a decision, and turn them loose?
CARRELL (31:36): That’s a great question. Because this is where I’m seeing the greatest threat.
My last year in the Border Patrol was Joe Biden’s first year, so I’ve only been out of the Border patrol for two years. And let me tell you how different it was. When I was in the Border Patrol, 95-96 percent [of encounters and apprehensions] were Mexican nationals, the rest were Central America, South America.
Every now and then we’d get what you’d call “exotic” — someone from Sudan, Yemen, et cetera.
it’s been flipped. Absolutely flipped. Over 70 percent of everyone arrested on the border is other than Mexican.
And to answer your question directly, you’re talking about Joint Terrorism Task Force, and I’m glad you brought that up. Because that’s a very important function.
During my 24 years, if I got someone from, say, Sudan, I would immediately call the JTTF, that’s an FBI unit tied in with DHS, ATF, every alphabet agency would show up, under the direction of FBI. They would debrief this gentleman from Sudan, determine if he was a terrorist or associated with terrorism. If he was, he would be whisked away and I would never see him, I’d have no idea what they would do with him.
If he wasn’t, they would turn him back to me, as the supervisor and the deputy patrol agent in charge, and say, he does not match everything we need, however, he needs to be removed.
I got it, 10-4. I would set him up for deportation, and that individual would be flown back to Sudan immediately.
Never, never, never, in 100 million careers, would I release him. In fact, in my 24 years, I was associated with less than 5 special interest arrests.
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I would never release that person. If I would have, as a knuckle-dragger, or a supervisor, or a senior-level manager, I would have been suspended, they’d have taken my gun and badge, and ultimately they would fire me.
Now — fast forward. In Joe Biden’s time, Special Interest Aliens [encountered or apprehended] in 2019 and 2020 was less than 2,000.
In 2022 we caught 25,000 Special Interest Aliens.
And in FY 2023, it was over 80,000. And every single one of them was released.
HILL (34:05): Is it fair to say that, no, there is no interagency task force heavily scrutinizing these people?
CARRELL: No. And I’m going to go one further, just so you know, George. Because I know you know how this goes.
So, now, it falls solely on the shoulders of Border Patrol agents to determine, through databases they do not have, through investigative skills that they do not possess — because that’s not their field of expertise — and we are now seeing these known terrorists to be released.
I have people inside, high, highly intelligent people inside the Border Patrol, telling me, J. J., I can’t even get JTTF to even show up. Because there are not enough of them. There aren’t enough agents to come interview them.
So we’re releasing them. And my guys, my guys that used to work for me and agents across the border are saying, I’m releasing known terrorists. I know they are. I’m looking at their records. But they’re forcing me to release them.
And I’ll go one step further, so your audience understands. Guess what two countries are not considered Special Interest Aliens and do not receive the scrutiny of, say, someone from Yemen or Sudan? Russian nationals and Chinese nationals.
DEPERNO (35:20): What about Afghanistan, J. J.? I heard the Taliban are not even on the Terrorist Watch List. Is that correct?
CARRELL: No, they’re on the Terrorist Watch List. They come in, they get labeled as Special Interest Aliens, which are SIAs, and then they’re released. They’re released!
DEPERNO: So what you’re saying is, Chinese and Russian illegal aliens coming in are not looked upon as Special Interest?
CARRELL: That’s correct.
HILL (35:45): That makes me feel great! Thanks. So, the administration likes to pound their chest and say, hey, we got someone on the Terrorist Watch List.
What is the procedure to wall off, separate, the people who are traveling with this individual who is identified as a terrorist? What is the procedure, to separate those people, to question them, to exploit any electronic media that may be on their person, and to see if they might be related to that individual who is on the Terror Watch List — aside from just their word, that, oh, I don’t know this guy?
CARRELL (36:20): None. Let me — so your audience has an idea of what it looks like, because it’s one thing to talk about.
Let’s talk about a station. Let’s take my station that I ran. It holds 175 individuals. It’s a temporary holding facility, and then we release them.
Now, instead of 175, you have 800 people in a place that holds 175.
And you are being told to move these bodies as fast as you can to release them into America. And at the same time you have another 800 to 2,000 are living on the northern side of the border waiting for you and your Border Patrol station to arrest them and bring them into your station.
So, imagine how many errors are taken. How computers are slow and breaking down. How they can’t keep the record checks, and they’re constantly moving.
That’s why you’re seeing reports of, oh my God, this Special Interest Alien from Afghanistan, he’s known, he’s a terrorist, and we’ve released him. And then we’re trying to hunt them down.
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Now, you’d have to be a complete and utter moron, or be wilfully ignorant, to believe those are the only people that are slipping through the cracks. And I know it. I’ve lived it, I worked it.
I’m talking to my guys. Very successful agents in ICE and in Border Patrol. And they’re telling me, dude, I am scared to death.
These are men that took down hard narcotics narco groups in the middle of the night with me. MS-13 guys. Men that don’t get afraid. They don’t get afraid. And they’re petrified. They’re scared to death. Because they’re releasing people into America they know are going to destroy America or attempt to destroy America.
HILL (38:16): Chris, J. J., they’re going to have a trial in the Senate for Mayorkas, here, coming up. They will be bringing in people to testify. Are you on the list of people giving testimony, and if you’re not, why not?
CARRELL (38:30): I am not. And I do not know why I am not. I would love to be on it. Because I would go there and I would speak the truth. I would break down the lies of Mayorkas.
I’d break down how they segment all the data. The data is false and a lie. They are circumventing immigration law.
Let me give you one example. The Center for Immigration Studies did a FOIA [Freedom of Information Act request] to find out, hey, you’re not telling us about the illegal flights you’re bringing in off the books. And the DHS had to admit, in FY 2023, that they brought in 221,000 illegal aliens into 43 different international airports in America, off the books. Off the books.
And there are other people following this, saying that it’s closer to 1.4 million people. Off the books.
They’re flying people into America and releasing them the moment they touch the ground in America.
America has never been this vulnerable, guys. I’m telling you, and just to make sure your audience understands this. There’s approximately 2,000 miles of the southern border. Eighty percent, which is 1,600 miles of the southern border, there’s not one single Border Patrol agent.
None! Sixteen hundred miles of the border, at any given time of the day or night, completely unmanned and wide open.
DEPERNO: Oh my God.
CARRELL: Never before, in immigration, in Border Patrol history, has this ever happened, ever.
DEPERNO (40:03): J.J., I want to ask you about Mayorkas. Obviously he got impeached, today, in the House. And there will be a trial in the Senate. I’ve heard he’s the tip of the spear, and he has a long history in immigration. What’s your stance on Mayorkas, there?
CARRELL: Thanks for asking, because I think that’s the most important topic, Mayorkas. I say in my book, Invaded, my last words in his chapter — I give him a full chapter, because everyone thinks Mayorkas just fell out of the sky and landed as DHS Secretary.
Mayorkas is a traitor. Let’s look at his history. He is a naturalized citizen from the communist nation of Cuba. And he is one of the smartest, most intelligent and most strategic men that I have ever watched operate.
One of, if not the youngest, U.S. Attorney in history, AUSA, became the director of USCIS under Obama, which is a powerful, powerful inner workings of all immigration. Did that for four years, became the Deputy Secretary under Obama, and then became the Secretary of DHS under Biden.
He was the creator of [Deferred Action for Childhood Admissions] DACA, and the facilitator-implementer of DACA. He created “catch-and-release.”
He has bastardized the parole system within immigration — which is completely different from what you guys think “parole” is in the local sheriff and police departments, totally different. He has taken asylum and destroyed asylum. Asylum is a joke.
He has overrun the immigration process. Destroyed it completely. And now he’s in complete catch-and-release. Meaning, every illegal alien that comes across that border, 97 percent of them are street release. Meaning just walk right out and given to the non-governmental organizations, NGOs, which are corrupt to the core.
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But Mayorkas is finally being impeached. The Senate will never do that, with all the RINOs in there, they will never [convict] him. And the only person that gets credit for impeaching him in the House is Marjory Taylor Greene. Without her, nothing happens to Mayorkas.
And I want to make sure that I say this clearly — I can’t stand the Democrat Party. I equally cannot stand the Republican Party. This is a uniparty issue, and they have sold America out.
You guys talked about this briefly before I came on — this is voting rights. They are going to give illegal aliens voting rights.
You guys hit on something that shows you how insane we are: Illegal aliens are in the police force! The state of Illinois, on January 1, allowed illegal aliens to join their police. [Los Angeles Police Department] LAPD just graduated their first illegal alien, they have nine others set to graduate.
It is a felony, a federal felony, for an illegal alien to carry a gun! How in the hell are we allowing this to happen?
DEPERNO (43:18): We’re not only allowing them to carry a gun, we’re giving them the authority to arrest us! […]
[Video clip from Fox News is shown with comments from Sheriff Brad Coe of Kinney County, Texas, and others.]
DEPERNO (45:12): Randy, we’ve got police officials in Texas calling this an absolute invasion. They are crying for help, and they’re not getting it. What do we do from here? […]
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SUTTON: Without the federal government’s involvement, there is no solving it. But there is no solving it because the federal government is complicit in it.
It is literally a no-win situation. It’s so frustrating. […] Watching [Mayorkas] lie to the American people, lie to Congress, lie to the Senate, knowing that there will be no consequences.
This impeachment is a joke, nothing is going to happen with it […] because the Republican party is complicit with the Democrats in allowing this debacle take place.
DEPERNO (46:40): George, Texas in crisis, sheriffs are calling, judges are calling, politicians are calling for help from the federal government and there’s nothing but crickets.
HILL: There’s only two ways to fix this. The Tenth Amendment, the states need to take responsibility for the safety of their citizens. They have the constitutional authority and Governor Abbott is now pushing that.
And number two, I’ve said it before, there needs to be consequences for these blue states and these virtue signaling people, who live in my neighborhood with the “no person is illegal” sign on their front lawn.
There needs to be consequences. They need to pay for this, both in terms of financially, in terms of outraging their citizenry when they take away services from taxpaying Americans, people that were born here. […] There needs to be consequences and they need to be harsh.
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I just want to sharpen one point that J. J. made. The KGB was the best intelligence service this planet has ever seen, at its zenith.
They trained the Cuban intelligence service. I’m not saying Mayorkas is a Cuban intelligence asset, I’m just saying that the Cuban intelligence service, on my 10 years at the FBI working counterintelligence, is still as good as it was when the KGB went out of business. […]
ROBB (48:13): Sounded like Texas wanted to basically take their border and run with it, and they’re going to protect it. The Texans. But then the government, or somebody, says, no, you gotta have Border Patrol do it, you guys can’t.
What are your thoughts about that? I think, hey, let the Texans do it, I think they’ll do a lot better job, instead of having the [federal] government come in.
CARRELL (48:42): Randy is correct, it is a federal issue. However, our whole system is upside down. We’re not supposed to have a centralized government this large. We’re not supposed to have states’ rights trampled on, and be impotent.
States have to control their border, this is an invasion. However, […] I think — and I’ve been watching Governor Abbott for quite a while — everything he does is half-assed.
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If I’m the governor of Texas and I see my cities being destroyed, every last National Guard is down there. I’m going to shut the border.
Let me give you an example.
So, Eagle Pass, where he went down and put his National Guard — which, his National Guard is actually allowing people to cross and they’re turning people over to the Border Patrol. They’ve just become a speed bump to this.
He has secured, or quasi-secured, 47 acres. Not 47 miles, not 470 miles, 47 acres.
Texas shares 1,240 miles of the southern border with Mexico, and they’re closing down 47 acres.
I believe this is, again, a complete Uniparty issue. They’ve allowed this to happen. They want votes and they want power, and that equates to money. Wealth, power and votes.
And to go further on the Chinese issue, understand that in 2023, we had 57,000 Chinese nationals were arrested. We are already at 30,000 in the first four months of FY 2024. This is the largest of invasion of Chinese soldiers —
DEPERNO (50:22): Are most of them military age?
CARRELL: Almost all military age adult men. Almost all of them. And you’re seeing huge swaths, you heard the sheriff, groups of 400. But if you look at the group of 400, they’re all from 18 to 27 years old, from the Middle East. Or the continent of Africa. All of them! And no one says a word!
Everyone acts like it’s going to be kumbaya?
Look what’s happened in New York. They’ve destroyed all the social services, crime is skyrocketing. They’re attacking cops, releasing them the same day!
Mayor Adams just diverted, last week, $53 million in order to give every illegal alien a Visa [debit] card with $1,000 pre-loaded. Fifty-three million.
DEPERNO (51:28): You sent me something called “replacement theory,” I really want the listeners to know about that.
CARRELL: The replacement theory. When those words come out of my mouth, everyone kind of recoils. Like, oh my God, he’s going to talk about race, and oh, he’s a xenophobe.
No, I’m actually repeating the words of our politicians that are running our country now. It’s called the replacement theory. And it has nothing to do with race. It’s a replacement of non-citizens from citizens.
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Let me give you an example. In December, the very first month in American history, the number of illegal aliens released into America outnumbered native-born births in America. America had 302,000 thousand people, little babies, born in America in December; 360,000 illegal aliens were released.
I’m not even talking about the other 300 to 400,000 that have absconded through the open border. I’m talking about illegal aliens arrested and released surpassed the number of births. […]
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And then you add in another 3 to 4 million a year that abscond through our borders.
It’s a math problem. It’s no longer a — [if] this is going to happen? No, it’s when. When is the tipping point, when you just do the math, when do we become a nation of non-citizens?
Let me give you a data point to make this more clear. There are over 50 million people living in America that are foreign nationals, over 40 million of them are illegal aliens. And they are reproducing at a 3 to 4 time rate of native [born] Americans.
Now, you tell me, do the math, how does that look in 10, 15, 20 years?
DEPERNO (54:00): J.J., who’s running the border? Who’s really running it? I hear the cartels, now, control the border, is that true?
CARRELL: It is one hundred percent true.
DEPERNO: They actually have spies overwatching the Border Patrol stations, and everything? Is that correct?
CARRELL: Yes. Let me explain how this works. Nobody crosses the border without paying the cartels. The cartels run everything. So when you see a group of 400 people cross, those 400 people already made their smuggling contract with the smugglers.
The smugglers are putting colored bracelets on them, to determine who has paid, who is the cartel that owns that product. It is a multi-million dollar a month business.
To make it even clearer, the Mexican cartels decide how many people cross, what type of illegal aliens cross — meaning, is it just Africans, from the continent of Africa, or is it just Ecuadorians, Venezuelans, Haitians. They determine how many, what type, and they determine what they do when they cross, like are you going to run, or are you going to go [turn yourself in to Border Patrol] […].
Learn more about J.J. Carrell’s work at https://www.jjcarrell.com
Buy J.J. Carrell’s book, Invaded: The Intentional Destruction of the American Immigration System at https://www.amazon.com/Invaded-Intentional-Destruction-American-Immigration/dp/B0C9VWNNR4/.
Follow J.J. on Twitter at https://twitter.com/JJCarrell14.
Tune in to J.J. Carrell’s podcast at https://rumble.com/c/UnrestrictedInvasion.
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